Unabridged: The LA Live Show with Chelsea Devantez, Rachel Lindsay and Sam Sanders - Transcript
This edition of The Stacks Unabridged features audio from our Los Angeles stop on the Live in The Stacks tour. We were joined by Chelsea Devantez, Rachel Lindsay and Sam Sanders in a discussion of celebrity memoirs, pop culture gossip and book recommendations.
TRANSCRIPT
Traci Thomas 0:00
Hi everybody, it's me Traci Thomas host of The Stacks and I am here today because we have a bonus episode of The Stacks Unabridged. It is the audio from our live show in Los Angeles. The final stop on the Live in the Stacks Tour. I'm joined by friends of the show and just all around great human beings, Sam Sanders, Chelsea Devantez and Rachel Lindsay. All right, now it's time for my conversation with Chelsea Devantez Sam Sanders and Rachel Lindsay. Enjoy.
That's right. Let's hear for Traci Thomas. Hi, hi. They played Beyonce. For me. This is all I've ever asked for. It's so bright. I can't see all your faces. Hi, everybody. Thank you so much for being here. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Traci Thomas, creator hosts of the stacks. If you don't know me, get out your phone, go on your podcast app search for the stacks, look for feet like this next two books, click subscribe. Also leave a rating and a review just in case just remind your friends. This is our last stop of the tour stop number five. Hometown show. So happy. Thanks for coming out. So here's my expectation for the night. You guys can taunt us and be mean to us and all of that stuff. You just have to laugh at all my jokes. And that's then you're allowed to do that. But if you don't laugh at all my jokes, you're not allowed to talk to me. Okay, that's my only expectation for the night. I'm gonna bring out our guests. I talked to them backstage, I was like, I have all of your bios written out and they were like, don't read them. So I'm going to do it. Just like casually off the top of my head in no particular order. So our first guest tonight, and you three will just all come out together at the end. We didn't practice our first guests. We didn't practice too bad. I think I'm Chris Rock. I'm like turn like yank the cord. You know, but don't fucking slam Will and Jada. Got it? Okay, so first guess Sam Sanders. Dream of a human being dream of a human being. Sam is the host of the Intuit podcast. He's also the co host of the Vibe Check podcast. Both of them are fantastic. He used to work at NPR. He's a journalist. He's a dreamboat. He's, he's everything. So that's Sam. We also have Rachel Lindsay. Yeah. First black Bachelorette, best Bachelorette. That's official. You can tell me when to call me if they have any problems with that. But that's Rachel. She's also the co host of the morally corrupt podcast on the ringer and also higher learning with familyfun on the ringer. Rachel has two books. She's got miss me with that, which is her memoir and essays. She's also got her romance novel called real love. You can buy both of those books at the front from our friends at reparations club, a black woman owned bookstore here in Los Angeles. Every single book we talked about tonight, either you can buy it here right now like including Joe's new book or you can order it from them. Okay. They have that capability you should support your local bookstore. Third guest final guest Chelsea Devantez Chelsea is the host of the newly renamed show it is now called glamorous trash with Chelsea Devantez. She talks about celebrity memoirs and Glamorous Trash. She's also got a book coming out it will be out on June 2. I gotta get my note card for this because I gotta make sure I do the title right has many words. I don't want to ruin it for her. Okay, the book is called I shouldn't be telling you this. But I'm going to anyway, it's out on June 24. You can pre order it here tonight from reparations book club pleat bookstore so please before you leave pre order Chelsea's book. pre orders are so important for authors especially debut authors. So go scan the QR code Get your copy of the book before you lead if you don't, I will hunt you down of all your emails. I'll ruin you. Okay, that's the biggest threat possible is telling someone I have your email. I'm going to sign you up for all the list at Petco. Watch out Okay, so without further ado, here are my incredible three guests Sam Sanders Rachel Lindsay and Chelsea Devantez come on oh and we got Will Smith playing you in a and I begged the Lord please let me be a good daddy all he needs love knowledge discipline to my life too.
Chelsea Devantez 4:33
Oh, wow. We can make it if we try...
Traci Thomas 4:35
I'm a child of the 90s. How do you not know every word?
Sam Sanders 4:39
I remember playing musical chairs to this in the band hall in eighth grade. And one of the one of the trombone players knocked me off the slug and.
Traci Thomas 4:48
Sam was a band kid. saxophone. Sam was almost like a professional saxophonist.
Sam Sanders 4:54
I was satisfied. I studied music composition in undergrad and then I said hold Under telling me one professional saxophonist Kenny G, but thank you.
Traci Thomas 5:05
Thank you. Thank you. But how many do you need? Because you only need Kenny G
Sam Sanders 5:13
Well, no one needs it. I digress. You don't think it's not great?
Chelsea Devantez 5:22
Personally, I don't need Kenny G.
Traci Thomas 5:24
I personally. My dad was a huge fan of Kenny G. And do you guys know this? California? You guys remember Gray Davis? Yeah. Okay. This is a weird story. My aunt is here. So she'll appreciate this. So Gray Davis, my aunt was in politics. We were at great Davis's inauguration. Kenny G. performed. In short. Did I enjoy it? Listen to the rest of the story. Kenny G entered from like up going down to the stage playing Of course. And my dad was sitting on the aisle and Kenny to pass and my dad was like, play it Kenny. So I need Kenny G.
Sam Sanders 6:07
With that, I got to go. I got it's been a great night, everybody.
Traci Thomas 6:14
Thanks for being here. And unfortunately, for all of you, you didn't put Kenny G on here, but you got it anyways. Okay, but anyway, so Sam's a saxophonist, like Kenny G almost what could have been? Bill Clinton?
Oh, have you been thinking about it this whole time when it came to you? Or did you know instantly?
Chelsea Devantez 6:34
Actually, the Kenny G song brought it back.
Sam Sanders 6:38
Now I want them to find the clip of Bill Clinton playing the saxophone on Arsenio Hall. Because that's one of the worst acts performances of all time. How do we how do we already five minutes and end up on Bill Clinton?
Traci Thomas 6:53
Journey, what a journey. Thank you for coming out tonight. You thought you're gonna get books. You're getting sacks. You're getting socks instead of stocks? Yeah. Okay. Let's start with Will and Jada. Because that's what we've been doing backstage.
Sam Sanders 7:07
What are the rules of this conversation, the parameters?
Traci Thomas 7:09
It will go on to the podcast. Oh, so that's the only that's the only thing you need to know this. There's a segment that will not go on the podcast. I'll let you know when that happens. But for now, this will go on the pod podcast. Okay. So here's my Will and Jada question. Do we think that they are going to write a book together? Is that where this is headed?
Sam Sanders 7:33
There's gonna be a book.
Rachel Lindsay 7:35
What is there left to say? At this point, right? Like, what could the book be about?
Traci Thomas 7:39
I think they're gonna do a whole thing about the separation. The last six and a half years.
Chelsea Devantez 7:44
Do we care? I don't know. Also, I don't think they can write a book together because they couldn't even do a read table talk together. That thing is 12 minutes long. They're supposed to be an hour minimum. Sometimes there's two hours, they cut it down to 12 minutes. That's how little they could agree on I don't think they have a book.
Sam Sanders 8:01
What if what happens first, is that Jada writes a book with a ghost of Tupac that he loves. Did you know In the rollout of this memoir, Jade his memoir, she told me so much that I didn't want to hear. I reached my boiling point when I saw a headline that says, Jada Pinkett Smith reveals that Tupac Shakur had alopecia. Why do I know this?
Traci Thomas 8:27
I remember that from the book.
Rachel Lindsay 8:30
So he was fake. I don't even know. They've been having fake headlines.
Traci Thomas 8:34
I think it's fake because I'm 2 and a half hours in.
Sam Sanders 8:38
I don't know. That's gonna be November. I saw one yesterday where it was like, Jada Pinkett Smith reveals she don't even know Will and I was like, I might believe it.
Chelsea Devantez 8:49
I have to tell you, Traci and I are reading this book reading podcast. She's further than me. Wait, but the first two hours are about gardens that fully get a garden. Yeah. Forever.
Rachel Lindsay 9:03
A garden a metaphor for snow.
Chelsea Devantez 9:04
Oh. Yeah, there's tomatoes here. The smell is nice that you're like-
Traci Thomas 9:12
Yeah, it's really you can skip the first four hours. If you do it on audiobook. I have no idea how many pages it is. But you can skip those first chunks. Basically part two, she goes to Hollywood. Enter reader. Is the book good?
Sam Sanders 9:27
Do y'all like it? Be honest, I hate it.
Chelsea Devantez 9:29
I can't live; I have to finish it.
Traci Thomas 9:30
I'm liking it more now. I'm liking it more now.
Chelsea Devantez 9:33
But Traci, I'm still in the first I'm still in gardens. Okay, when I get out of the gardens. Maybe things will change.
Sam Sanders 9:40
This is like the opposite of a secret garden. Can I tell you everything.
Traci Thomas 9:45
Gardens does not know secret. That's not a word. She knows you.
Rachel Lindsay 9:48
You know who I would be interested in hearing from the kids. If the kids wrote a book, I would be all in I would.
Sam Sanders 9:56
I want the kids to just make music because I actually like Willow's music. And Jaden's getting better.
Chelsea Devantez 10:01
You don't want Jaden.
Rachel Lindsay 10:02
You know, name five Willow songs.
Sam Sanders 10:05
Whip my hair. Okay, that Tiktok song where she's like-
Traci Thomas 10:09
You know that of song too is that XYZ song that will take the book. Yeah, I wouldn't read the book. I don't want their book. I want them to have a collab album. Grown up when Will and Jada are dead, but I don't want it now.
Sam Sanders 10:24
They'll never die. You know, Will and Jada will never die. That's facts. Jada's gonna be making books in hospice.
Traci Thomas 10:31
She has books to be released all the way for like 100 years after her death, but she's written them all now. Like she's like, and then I did this and 2052.
Sam Sanders 10:41
Jada said, If Tupac can release albums after he's dead?
Traci Thomas 10:44
Yeah, yeah. No, it's okay. It's not a terrible book. It's not great. The here's the problem. She's just not actually that famous. Like, she doesn't have that much work. And I feel like a lot of times with a celebrity memoir, I also want to know like, oh, that time I was on set with so and so. But she's sort of like her famous.
Sam Sanders 11:06
Her famous proximity base-
Chelsea Devantez 11:09
Like Minka Kelly really has like one show. That book's fucking awesome. Like, it's Jada.
Traci Thomas 11:19
But Minka Kelly has like an insane family story.
Chelsea Devantez 11:23
However, Jada Pinkett's parents were both- had drug use problems, intense. She calls them drug addicts. Most boring childhood chapters I've ever read. I'm like how is this possible.
Traci Thomas 11:35
Yeah, she's in the garden. She's in the garden.
Chelsea Devantez 11:39
I don't know the whole book is framed. Can I just put one tiny thing in the first boiled already. She's like I was so my world was over. I didn't know what I was going to do. It was my 14th wedding anniversary, and I was I was desperate. I was gonna do Ayahuasca. And then it's like, 10 pages on like, I'm going to do ayahuasca and then she's like, that night changes my whole life. But I'll come back to it later. And I'm like, the whole book is an Ayahuasca trip. Yeah, she doesn't tell you what happens. And then we're gonna do the whole book, and she's gonna come back to doing Ayahuasca on their 14th wedding anniversary.
Traci Thomas 12:14
I am at their like, fifth wedding anniversary. I have a lot of time, but every year covered? Well, no, I mean, like, like, I'm at the matrix. So Willow was born right before she started filming the matrix, like in the two early 2000s, maybe so like that. And they got married, I think in 97. So I'm getting moving. I'm getting there. I want to get to this lump.
Rachel Lindsay 12:41
Is that covered?
Chelsea Devantez 12:42
Yes, it is.
Traci Thomas 12:43
That is not covered.
Chelsea Devantez 12:44
I love it. I have not 10 hours. Not only is it covered, I won't spoil it. It's shocking what she says about it to the point really? And I say it's a why.
Sam Sanders 12:59
To say just say it to say it's a headline. Raise your hand if you can say it. Did you can say can she
Chelsea Devantez 13:05
say it? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, this audience is in the know.
Yeah. Okay. So she's like, I was just there as wills friend. When he says keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth. She says her thought is why if we're not together, oh, I believe that. I don't either because if you watch the literal footage of her face will is laughing at the joke and she goes, yeah, and he goes I go him.
Sam Sanders 13:34
This is like the reveal that took any sympathy I had for Chris Rock away. She talks about how they've been separated for like six years. Apparently Chris Rock got wind of this. Asked Jada out and Jade has I believe that's what do you mean? How do you know and he's like, I heard you're getting divorce girl. Like he was always trying to match
Rachel Lindsay 13:53
I don't believe that's why why not? I just don't believe a lot. I've just I don't know. Um I just when I read that, I was like, think of who Chris matches really convenient. Convenient. It just seems really convenient. Can I just tell you to? I was at the Oscars. I work in the Oscars that red carpet. When he won before the slot. Had I known I would have gone inside out the senior Van one.
Traci Thomas 14:20
Was it the- No,
Rachel Lindsay 14:21
No, no is the year after. But when you're going to win, they kind of know you know, when you're winning the show up to the point where I remember we were talking to Denzel Washington, and we said who should win? And he said Well, I'm just here for will and we're like, Okay, well clearly will is gonna win. So when you know you're going to when you talk to the media, you see you know, you say maybe one question because you know he want people to use that and all these clips to be out there of you. They didn't talk. Something was up they were already mad. already mad. You saw them walk by they didn't look they didn't wave they walked past the one that they had to do the one and Interview, and then they went inside when you have to do, like, if it's on abc and abc, okay, but something was off from the beginning.
Traci Thomas 15:08
I believe this but also I don't think people know because remember the Chadwick Boseman year when they rearranged the entire Oscars to do his award at the the, you know, normally it's best picture as last but the year that he died they rearranged the entire Oscars it was the one where like Jamie Lee Curtis wrapped or whatever in the audience member that when I was like at the train station know
Sam Sanders 15:31
What's her face- Tom Hank's is wife. Rita Wilson?
Traci Thomas 15:39
Yes, Glenn Close. Glenn Close.
Sam Sanders 15:40
Oh, what did she do? Some booty song.
Traci Thomas 15:42
Some hip hop music? She did. She did Da Butt. Yeah, she knew that anyways, but that same night. I looked I thought it was Jamie Lee Curtis. I'm sorry. I don't care. It's not that's not my son. My generation. No, my ministry. It's not as true anyways, whatever. Anyways, the point is, everybody thought Chadwick Boseman. was going to win, so they moved the best actor award to the last award of the night. Did Best Picture. No fucking Anthony Hopkins. I knew that one at Hopkins ended up winning and he wasn't even there. Yeah. Chadwick Boseman. His wife grieving life to the thing to accept on his honor. So I'm like I'm writing now.
Rachel Lindsay 16:28
That was for ratings they know they knew I was watching that because that they thought that.
Traci Thomas 16:32
I know, but you kind of give them the award if you rearrange the show.
Rachel Lindsay 16:37
Ruthless. Hollywood is ruthless. And I don't do it anymore. How about that.
Traci Thomas 16:46
Hollywood is ruthless.
Sam Sanders 16:47
We gotta close the loop on Will; bottom line is stop Will and Jada.
Traci Thomas 16:53
Stop. Well I feel like Will is has stopped after his book and the slap. Like the slap was it for him. Whether that was by choice or not.
Sam Sanders 17:02
I don't think Jada will stop. I think she likes the attention. She loves it. I think she has wanted to do like she's always been in proximity to A listers and never a list herself. She's gonna ride this.
Chelsea Devantez 17:12
Honestly, she would drop that if she heard you.
Traci Thomas 17:16
Lucky for her, she doesn't listen to the stacks to my knowledge and she'd like to come on. There's always a spot available.
Sam Sanders 17:22
On my show, we're not talking Jada.
Traci Thomas 17:23
She can come to your show. Don't come on Sam show. My show. This is my show tonight on my show on the podcast. Okay, I feel like we got to Will and Jada. Yes. Okay, let's we got to celebrity. Let's talk about Brittany's memoirs coming up. Britney's memoir. The Hi Erin. I heard your voice. I know that. That's my friend from college. We lived together for a long time. Is there anything you want us to talk about about Brittany specifically, Aaron?
Chelsea Devantez 17:50
That the knives are fake. Wait, is that we're talking about?
Traci Thomas 17:54
No He's talking about the abortion for sure. Not an abortion story.
Chelsea Devantez 17:59
I was like honestly, the fact that she said come on over to my house. These knives are fake. I said this bitch has it.
Traci Thomas 18:06
The dancing knives are fake.
Chelsea Devantez 18:07
Because when she was dancing with the knives they'd sent some they were like call 9110 And someone came to her house and she's on Instagram. First off, they're not fake. Nice. Boy, she's just like they're fake. It's so funny.
Traci Thomas 18:21
Ah, ah. Are we excited for the book?
Sam Sanders 18:24
Yes, yes, because I hope that she gets to keep all the money. I hope she gets so rich. Now. Finally, she's been given her money to the bad dad and the others for so long as her own money. Yeah, that's all I want for her.
Traci Thomas 18:37
How do we what do we feel like is happening? And so for those of you who don't know, Britney's memoir comes out next Tuesday. 2424 get it if you haven't, don't have it yet. preorder it from reparations club preorder for reparations club if you don't have it yet. Anyways, the the first revelation that I heard is that in 2000, bright me on boarded Justin Timberlake and her offspring.
Sam Sanders 19:02
She said that she knew that Justin didn't want to be a father. But then she goes on to say how much it really hurt her and that the physical experience was one of the worst experiences of her life. So bad for her.
Rachel Lindsay 19:13
Did he know or did she just that's what I don't know if you say that she did.
Traci Thomas 19:18
Did she say that?
Sam Sanders 19:19
I don't from what I've read. I can't tell.
Chelsea Devantez 19:21
I also it's just like, Yes, I believe Justin Timberlake was like, I don't want this baby. There are famous virgins at this. Yes. Yeah. Even if Justin was like, we want to have this baby. There were 10 levels of people who were like we already aborted it.
Sam Sanders 19:36
Yeah, like while you were sleeping. We got it.
Chelsea Devantez 19:39
Yeah. Like literally, like in all folds. And I'm saying we don't know what penis and vagina are.
Traci Thomas 19:46
Like he's got the Ramen hair and this denim outfit. It's like Pepsi Cola is the only soda on the face of the earth. They're like, we gotta go baby's gotta go.
Sam Sanders 19:58
So imagine that curly haired version of Justin Timberlake as a dad at that age.
Traci Thomas 20:06
Okay, we I have to say this You guys didn't really see the insync picture of them like back together,
Sam Sanders 20:12
Sad.
Traci Thomas 20:16
Okay, well that's what I was gonna say. A lot of people on my internet, were like, oh my god if they go on to I'm definitely going and I saw the picture and was like, Who are those middle aged men? And then I was like I am middle aged.
Sam Sanders 20:32
Imagine them not just hitting the bye bye bye choreo again, but doing it for 40 Nights. No, I don't know. I can't do it.
Rachel Lindsay 20:43
There I am front row, I am VIP. I am backstage. I'm taking a picture with those middle aged men. I am all the things and I don't think they're older than me. That's what I'm telling myself.
Traci Thomas 20:53
I think Justin's 1981 It's it. He's the baby. They're legit, like we grew up on. I literally know what year he's born. I'm trying to act like I don't like them.
Rachel Lindsay 21:01
She'll be like, to all those things with me.
Traci Thomas 21:05
Well, you know, I will go but I just people were like, Oh my God, look at them. They're in the elevator and I was like, oh my god, Joey Fatone? Well. He's been looking at Chris Kirkpatrick remember his old hair.
Rachel Lindsay 21:19
He brings it back.
Traci Thomas 21:22
But yeah, I'm excited about Britney's book. I feel nervous about it because she's not reading her audio book, which to me is assigned that like, maybe it's like too much information even for her to walk through.
Chelsea Devantez 21:36
I have weird unverified tea, okay. And it's so gentle, but I was like, Oh my god. The people in my book club are called the cookies. One of the cookies Diems me and said my friend is a British actress and voiceover artists and Brittany hired her to read the book. So she could listen to her book and she wanted it in a British accent.
Traci Thomas 21:59
But Michelle Williams doesn't have a British accent.
Chelsea Devantez 22:02
No, to listen to her own book ends, because she's not going to read it. And so that makes me think she is listening the book. I think she's put the work in even though she's not going to read it.
Rachel Lindsay 22:13
It's a lot of work. Really hard to do that.
Chelsea Devantez 22:21
She can't. Can you imagine reading a book when you have to spin every thirty seconds.
Rachel Lindsay 22:26
With knives in your hands.
Traci Thomas 22:29
Okay, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying she's not able to read it. So I'm a little bit worried about the book. But all I wanted was like, Hi, this is my story.
Chelsea Devantez 22:37
She does the intro.
Traci Thomas 22:38
No, I need to hear her be like- and then follow up. Follow up our Jean outfits from a couture shop in Beverly Hills.
Sam Sanders 22:49
It's really good to hear she's doing that vocal fry. How long do you want to hear that?
Traci Thomas 22:54
Well, I'm gonna listen to it at two point speed like I do for Jada. Jada, two points feed and Mr. Stacks walks in the room and he just goes, What are you doing? It's like, it's 14 hours. I gotta get through it.
Sam Sanders 23:06
I think it's good for her to have someone else read the book because it's one more headline for her. Oh, Michelle Williams white. Michelle Williams is reading the book.
Traci Thomas 23:13
Michelle? If Black Michelle was reading it. It'd be more intuitive.
Rachel Lindsay 23:23
Michelle Williams is perfect. I'm nervous for a different reason. I'm scared for Britney, if that is the first headline we're getting. Imagine what more is in that book. Like we're all chomping at the bits because we're all going to read it, listen to it, whatever it may be. But I'm nervous what this is going to do for her well being.
Chelsea Devantez 23:41
I'm scared for Britain. I'm I have the opposite. Take one I think abortion might be as far as it goes. And the rest of it is going to be stuff that we already know. But it's going to be from her perspective, which will be still incredible.
Rachel Lindsay 23:53
And with the family the the Father the conserved I think we do know a lot.
Chelsea Devantez 23:57
At this point from the court case from the documentaries. I'm just saying like I think, I think well, I don't know. And I think I think this is going to start her on the path to healing. And then when we get the next book, it'll be healed.
Rachel Lindsay 24:09
Are you an optimist?
Traci Thomas 24:11
Yes. Every time Chelsea and I talk every time I do a thing with Chelsea Chelsea's like, it's gonna be great. And I'm like, it's gonna be hell on earth. It's a nightmare. It's it's immediate. It's over for everybody. They're gonna have to burn it all down. And Chelsea's like, no one's gonna say it's gonna save the world and everyone's gonna get a candy cane.
Chelsea Devantez 24:32
She's gonna- have you read-
Sam Sanders 24:36
Is there a chance that she says anything new in the book? Yes, that gets the conservative people in more trouble because I want that.
Traci Thomas 24:43
Conservatorship people? The Conservatorship or the conservators leadership? And like what does she have on Marco Rubio?
Sam Sanders 24:52
Ted Cruz, we're coming for you. It was like I want her to dish enough dirt to where like someone actually finally goes to jail for that conservatorship shit.
Chelsea Devantez 25:00
My guess is no is because she's been drugged up for 10 years. I don't think she fully understands what happened yet. Oh, I think oh, what's she gonna talk about Lou Taylor.
Traci Thomas 25:09
Who's that? I didn't even know Glenn Close. You think I know Lou Taylor?
Chelsea Devantez 25:15
Okay. Pastor Lou Taylor. She is basically she was just like, she was just like a girl boss. And then somehow she became Jamie Lynn's manager. And through becoming Jamie Lynn's manager. She convinces the parents so Okay, a little bit conspiracy theory, but not totally. She is She then walks Britney into the conservatorship with like she is there was a lady. Yeah. And she's Yes. Yeah. And she has talked about in Jamie Lynn's memoir. Sorry, in sorry. Jamie is the dad Lynn is the mom Jamie Lynn is the kid. Oh, there's Britney bitch. She put her in that conservatorship along with the dad.
Traci Thomas 25:52
I'm doing a hard shift in and out anybody in this I said we could do in and out however we want to do in and out so go ahead.
Sam Sanders 26:02
My order. Best order. My order. Double animal style. No cheese, french fries. Well done. Animal Style. No cheese.
Traci Thomas 26:10
What is no cheese? But animal style is cheese and onions.
Sam Sanders 26:14
No, it's the sauce and the onions.
Chelsea Devantez 26:17
I want to I want to go off of that and say no good vegetarian options because it's only a grilled cheese and that cheese fucking blows.
Traci Thomas 26:22
It's on a burger bun. Yeah, it's bad. Cheese is not actual cheese. My order is you guys want to pick either my or section on my order is a cheeseburger with the cheese. Grilled onions. Lettuce ketchup. That's it.
Rachel Lindsay 26:39
Okay, I'm gonna piggyback off that. My order is I don't eat there. I think it's, I think it is an overrated experience. I'm from Texas. I remember when it came to Texas and I was like, why is this line so long? What is everyone waiting for? I finally had one. It's like cafeteria food.
Traci Thomas 26:59
It's only for a road trip to Palm Springs. That's the only time you can do it.
Sam Sanders 27:04
When you're road tripping. When you bring your friends into town. You go do it. It is a part of the cultural fabric.
Rachel Lindsay 27:14
It's California.
Chelsea Devantez 27:18
They have bible verses on the sodas and I'm not against that-
Traci Thomas 27:23
They do and I am against that.
Chelsea Devantez 27:26
I'm saying I'm saying I'm not against Bible verses. I'm against it at N out like you guys come on.
Rachel Lindsay 27:31
Yeah, like Chick fil A
Traci Thomas 27:35
Chick fil A don't have Bible verses on their drinks!
Sam Sanders 27:42
Let's get real here. The scriptures on the bottom of the coke cup are not doing as much damage to you as the Coca Cola that you're drinking your whole life.
Traci Thomas 27:53
Okay, Diet Coke sponsorship for the stacks. So can you not talk about my favorite brand that I love and I drink every single day? Diet Coke make life special? Okay, The Golden Batchelor? Are you watching?
Rachel Lindsay 28:09
Not yet.
But are you?
Traci Thomas 28:10
Yes. I know. You're watching Sam's crying every week. Emoting.
Sam Sanders 28:15
It's taught me how to feel again. Yeah, does he love it? Don't you love it? Here's the thing.
Traci Thomas 28:25
I want to hear the thing.
Sam Sanders 28:27
You know, I didn't come into it with any preconceived notions or expectations. But within seven minutes they had me bawling who else who else because the opening montage I don't normally watch the Bachelor.
Traci Thomas 28:39
No. So you didn't get like the three week lead up to now I was like I knew Gary story was spelled Jai pronounced Gary.
Sam Sanders 28:45
I saw Gary story in the first episode and I was crying by like, minute four. Then the adult children come out are like Daddy, yes. Okay, you gotta find love and i Cry some more. And then every time one of the women tells their story, they're like, my husband died too and then i Cry some more. But they're so nice to each other at least for at the start they were so nice to each other like are they getting me in the room we're all women are just like waiting. They got along in the first episode ends with all of the ladies together having a dance party with Jerry and they're just twerking in their senior scary and it's great.
Chelsea Devantez 29:16
Nobody's actually twerking but their knees are bent.
Sam Sanders 29:19
It's like, yeah, but like it was there was community. There was love.
Chelsea Devantez 29:26
And I say like on the dark side it's so fun to because you're watching that woman you fucking hated finally learn her lesson at 70 and you're like she's gonna try and my friend my I have a friend whose husband was a camera operator, and there's a piece of footage I'm waiting for but I feel like they're too stupid and they're never gonna show it. But they would tell the women like you know, you're not as you know, they're not You're not allowed to talk to the cameras, but apparently like they just couldn't understand it. So there's all this footage of them being like, where are we going? Well, I need a coat Okay, what's the weather? What's the activity and like we can't tell you it's like, well, sweater sweater. They show that they're geniuses.
Traci Thomas 30:09
I just I would love that.
Sam Sanders 30:11
I just love it.
Traci Thomas 30:12
This is not Golden Bachelor. But Rachel, I have been saving this question for you. I have not texted you about it. I'm putting you on the spot. Do you know that Hannah Brown is writing a romance novel?
Rachel Lindsay 30:24
Yes.
Traci Thomas 30:26
And I'm gonna burn it. Yeah, because you wrote a romance novel first. And none of those other little girls were doing that. And now here comes Rachel. Best bachelorette ever. And then here comes oops. I said the N word. Hannah Brown also writing No, it's uh, no. I know. And you didn't pick Tyler, you idiot.
Rachel Lindsay 30:44
Jed. I love that you feel that strongly? I do. You know, I saw it. And I'm like, good for you.
Traci Thomas 30:52
Don't worry order from rep club just by Rachel's book instead. Or preorder Chelsea's.
Chelsea Devantez 30:57
Hannah's not writing anything.
Traci Thomas 31:00
Sure, but she's doing but she's doing one. She's doing it.
Rachel Lindsay 31:07
I don't have a strong opinion on it.
Traci Thomas 31:10
Rachel's so diplomatic.
Rachel Lindsay 31:13
I can't say anything.
Chelsea Devantez 31:17
You're good.
Traci Thomas 31:18
Okay, we're not gonna do donor babies because babies because because Chelsea is a donor baby, which you can read about in her book, which you need to preorder. It's out in June. And Chelsea and Rachel did Kerry Washington's memoir, and they talk about donor babies in that episodes, what you need to do is subscribe to the glamorous trash podcast. And that's called a plug in. That's how you do it. For some sad, really good episode. It's really really good. So we're gonna skip that for now. If we have time, I'll come back to it, but I just I feel like they did it for like an hour and we're gonna do 30 seconds. So then you guys are gonna be like that was very unfulfilling. And so this is better. Do you know who Deion Sanders is?
Sam Sanders 32:00
Do I ever? I'm from Texas.
Traci Thomas 32:02
Oh, of course you are. You did. people out here say they don't?
Sam Sanders 32:06
Former NFL star now turned Colorado football coach, university of Colorado.
Traci Thomas 32:12
Okay, some of you know. Alexander.
Sam Sanders 32:15
I will say the one Dion thing that I found quite interesting. Really good friend of mine, former colleague and Public Radio, who went to school at the college that Deon is now coaching Colorado University. He was in town to see some friends in LA were talking and he was like, Yeah, y'all gotta do now. And he was like, Sam, I'm going to tell you this. I probably can't say it anywhere else. He has changed entire community. And I was like, What do you mean Kirk? And he's like, black people are coming to the games. He's like, he single handedly diversified this community.
Traci Thomas 32:47
Ghosts of Donald Sterling's like don't bring him a game. That's a real I don't I don't know if this is a sport enough crowd but that's famous. Yeah, every black person in America is like gone out and bought a Colorado University of Colorado.
Sam Sanders 33:00
What's crazy is the team aren't that great? The team was-
Traci Thomas 33:03
Always a rebuilding year. They won like two games last year.
Rachel Lindsay 33:06
Like real fans. Yes. Oh, it was a rebuilding year, but they won that first game and not TCU Oh, yeah, they were ranked and then everyone was like, This is it. They're going to the national championship. Every rappers they're brought the curse. I'm sure I'm gonna be on the-
Traci Thomas 33:21
That was like, I love my hometown. Like, it's Toronto.
Sam Sanders 33:28
I think famous people know after this that said, I want Deion Sanders to coach my life. What a hype man is.
Traci Thomas 33:34
Drake? No, but he famously Drake. Drake decides that he likes a team, at which point they immediately lose. He accidentally lucked into the Raptors winning a few years ago because he had started rooting for the Warriors. And then somehow he was like, oh, Toronto stolen. I'm from the six.
Sam Sanders 33:53
I'm on the court when the Raptors won.
Traci Thomas 33:55
He's always on the court. He's literally like, it's like anything that's relevant. He's like, can I be there? Like no, you can't be you can't. You're gonna ruin it. So I feel like he probably went to a Colorado game and then
Sam Sanders 34:08
but all this to say, Deion, get your money and black it up. I'm cool with it.
Traci Thomas 34:13
And Drake is trash. Okay, what else? We still have narrative nonfiction. That feels very specific to me. I love it does were something you wanted to know about narrative nonfiction, or you just wanted me to have a moment to be the star. Rex, I've read everything you've said. Everything. Have you read helter skelter by Vincent Bugliosi. Okay, have you read his book about the OJ murder? You have? Okay, have you read everything I said? Well, if you've read everything I said, I don't have anything else. Have you read normal family?
Sam Sanders 34:50
Have you read worthy by Jada Pinkett Smith? Just ask him.
Traci Thomas 34:57
Okay, have you read Liliana's Invincible summer. That should just came out this year. Okay, fantastic book. It's a finalist for the National Book Award. It's great. So Liliana sister is the author. Her name is Christina Rivera Garza and she is a famous author and 30. plus years ago, her sister Liliana was murdered by her boyfriend in Mexico. Christina goes back to Mexico, like 30 years after, and she tries to find the file to like, look into the murder, because the boyfriend was never arrested, he got away. She gets there. And the officials in Mexico are like, we don't have that anymore. Like, they're like, these things don't last forever. So she's like, fuck it. I gotta write my sister story. And she gets her sister's letters. She gets letters from their friends. She interviews like the family, the friends, everybody and she writes this like, incredibly moving, beautiful tribute to her sister where you get to like, see this. I've chills this like full picture of her sister who I think was killed. Like she was like, 25 at the oldest. And it's just like, it's so beautifully written. It's so smart. And it's like true crime. But no, it's like she wrote the memoir that the sister couldn't write for herself. And it's just like so so, so beautiful. So that is narrative nonfiction that you should. Yeah, can I call it again? Liliana is invincible summer. Wait, I know what I wanted to do. book that is not yet a movie. What would you want to see? That's a good one really good.
Chelsea Devantez 36:36
The Practical Magic prequel. So Alice Hoffman wrote Practical Magic which it fucking bombed in the 90s Because everyone hates women. But in the long run, they're like, this is actually very good. But she had always written a prequel about the ads and it's just fucking sitting there. And listen, we're Millennials a lot of us-
Which is not my ministry-
Give us numbers or they're gonna fucking prequel.
Traci Thomas 37:02
Great. Great. Great. Yeah, I'll take it. I'll take it. Anybody.
Rachel Lindsay 37:05
Okay, I'm gonna say the coldest winter ever. Oh, taking it all the way back because that was supposed to be a movie and crazy enough, wasn't it? Jada Pinkett was talking about playing it too late for now. She can't she can't be okay. Try. She'll try. i It's been so long. I can't even remember.
Traci Thomas 37:23
But Winter is the person that you want to play? I'm asking you. I'm asking who would you cast in it? If Jada can't be in it? I know the book.
Rachel Lindsay 37:31
Oh my gosh. Now who would I How would I cast?
Chelsea Devantez 37:43
Who was in Zola? Oh, Taylor Taylor.
Traci Thomas 37:48
I don't know anybody's name. I don't know who you mean.
Sam Sanders 37:55
I have one. And I say this because this is an author who was written in one of her books about how her life story through her writing was piloted for a TV show. But they saw the pilot and we're like, this will never be a show. So now I want her work to be a movie. I'm talking about Samantha Irby. Oh yeah. Samantha Irby. And basically all of her books have been journals of her life, which is hilarious and comical. She talks very beautifully about having a really effed up childhood with a sick parent, and then going through adulthood, dealing with life and like chronic digestive issues, in detail, Crohn's, but it's also funny and witty. And in her latest book, there's a whole chapter that talks about how she was turning her life into a TV show pilot and how fucking crazy that is. And at one point, she says they, they want you to basically mash up multiple areas of your young adult life into one and it's impossible. And they also didn't know what to do with the bigger black woman character who wanted to talk about farts. So the show never happened. But I think that poetic justice would be a movie. And let Samantha Oberstar and I love it. That's what I want.
Traci Thomas 39:03
Okay, mine is sort of obvious if you listen to the podcast, but-
Rachel Lindsay 39:09
I'm listening to you know, not the same comparison. But when I was listening to you talk about, oh, make a life movie about her life. I don't know why, but I was thinking Che Diaz from Sex and the City.
Traci Thomas 39:24
Well Samantha Irby writes on that.
Sam Sanders 39:27
I interviewed her about that. And she was like, we read all your emails. We get it. shut up. It's a show!
Traci Thomas 39:34
Mine is this month book club pick tar baby by Toni Morrison. If you've started the book, if you're reading with us, these dinner scenes, that drama, it is messy. Their sex. There's revelation. I don't want to give anything away if you haven't read it. But as I was reading it, I was like, Why isn't this a play or a movie? It They're doing Sula. They're doing the blue. I don't know they're doing a bunch of things. No, tar baby is the fucking one. Holy shit you guys, Tony, chapter five and chapter six. That's all you need.
Sam Sanders 40:12
You know, I'm still I'm still recovering from the trauma of having to watch the movie adaptation of Beloved. Oh, fuck me.
Traci Thomas 40:21
I feel like I feel like things are changing. I also just want to say this really quickly.
Sam Sanders 40:26
Didn't that movie fuck you up?
Traci Thomas 40:28
Yeah, yeah, I never saw it. I never thought Yeah, okay. This is the last thing we have to do because we're almost out of time. Okay. People ask for book recommendations. We're going to do one we're going to pull out a hot I'm going to read it we have to come up with a recommendation for this basket. What do they want in a book something revolving around music books they love dilla time and Danielle's book Danielle Smith, she wrote a book called shine bright we did on the book club. I literally, yes, beautiful cover. And I think you'd probably get it here. I think rep club has a copy. books they hate not applicable. I need to know what you hate. And they want nonfiction about music. Okay, has anybody got one got that one.
Sam Sanders 41:05
There's a book that is written by the New Yorker staff writer John Seabrook called the song machine inside the Hit Factory. And she chase it, he traces modern pop from Arba to now, in this central theory is the majority of at least white pop but Americans have enjoyed for the last 25 years. I've had a direct through line to Abba. And the tradition of that songwriting was perpetuated mostly by Swedish songwriters like Max Martin and Dr. Luke. And he traces it and he talks about how we've actually been loving Swedish pop for 50 years. It's really great. And he writes about Katy Perry's music in a way that makes you respect her a lot more.
Chelsea Devantez 41:48
I'm not reading it.
Sam Sanders 41:51
Can't be convinced a great book. I read it years ago when I actually go back to it like every two or three years because it holds up called the song machine inside the Hit Factory.
Traci Thomas 41:59
Do you have either of you have anything?
Chelsea Devantez 42:02
Um, by the way, with song machine inside the hip factory, didn't they? They like paraded out a white lady. And they were like, it's her singing and it was a black woman.
Sam Sanders 42:10
For which one? That happens all the time.
Chelsea Devantez 42:19
I might have a weird one. If you listen to podcast you, you might know what I'm gonna say, which is Madison beers memoir. Madison, she's a teenager is someone who has like 26 bills. What has she done? I just didn't know. If you were to ask me like, What? How she lived the life and yes, yes. But here's what's shocking.
Rachel Lindsay 42:43
Say Madison Beer is the shocking thing. So keep going.
Chelsea Devantez 42:46
Okay, just hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. So she says, if you're a Madison beer fan, like a lot is missing. But how but she at 12 years old is signed by Scooter Braun who's put in
Sam Sanders 43:00
Her first mistake. Where were her parents.
Chelsea Devantez 43:02
He's putting her through the Justin Bieber machine. And when she is like becoming a pop star, the 12 year old boys she was talking to in texting would leak her nude Snapchat she was sending like a boy she had a crush because she's still just a 1314 year old girl. But she's in this industry. And her nudes get leaked in a in a way that like Scooter Braun then drops her weight and but then she has this Instagram following so I just found it to be a really dismal look at the industry and also just what it's she because she's so young. She's 24. So when she's writing about when she's 14, it feels like a 14 year old.
Sam Sanders 43:42
Does it end happily? No? Okay.
Chelsea Devantez 43:47
But it didn't know we're in a way where I was like, Oh my God, if I was a teenager now and I got a hold of this, it's written adult enough that I would like take the lessons to heart like where she's like, I remember our librarian being like, don't send boys or don't whatever you put on the internet could come back and haunt you and they're like, LOL like, and then she's writing about like, I just fucking liked this guy. And I wanted him to like me. And now literally everyone in the world has seen me naked. And she's talking about going on Twitter and finding it a 15 years old. It's like it makes you go like, okay, I get it. I get it. Yeah, that's I know, you guys are so sad that you should read it and give it to all your kids.
Traci Thomas 44:21
Yeah, great. Okay. I feel like you guys already know my thing about doing your own show. You already know all the shit that I like. But I really love Justin 10s Lee's book about biggie. I thought it was so good. Did anybody tell you guys?
Sam Sanders 44:38
What was the biggest new thing you learned out of the book?
Traci Thomas 44:40
So learned a lot about BIG's relationship with Tupac. Jada does not make an appearance. Weirdly. Though, Jada wrote the book she would, um, I learned a lot about their relationship and like, they were friends. And there's the scene. I don't this is like a spoiler, but not really. But there's this scene. Even where Biggie brings to puck flowers, oh, they were like real friends. They really like saw each other for a while. And I just found that part really tender. But also I learned a lot about Becky's mom, she was Jamaican, I believe, and she was an immigrant to New York City, and had the way he put the book in context of that was really helpful to me to realize that like, these are all kids born right after the Civil Rights Movement. And they're in he's like, in New York City. And he has this mother who has this experience like outside of America, and she's come to America for this. And then Hip Hop happened. And then he goes to like North Carolina to deal drugs. And it's like this set, like, there's just, Justin did a great job of putting his life and Kant in the greater context of America as opposed to just making his life be the life of a bigger person. He made him seem more like a human. So I felt like I got a sense of Christopher Wallace, in a way. And also, I didn't know this and I'm sure a lot of you did. But when he was murdered, it was right outside of the Peterson car museum, right on Fairfax and Wilshire. I didn't realize that. So yeah, it's called it was all a dream, and it's really good and it's got a great cover, and I really, I listened to it on audio and Dion Graham, the greatest audio Narrator ever he narrated. So that's a bonus.
Chelsea Devantez 46:13
Somehow I said this backstage but in Jewel's memoir, she says Tupac hit on her the night before he died.
Traci Thomas 46:17
So okay, I gotta do quick things. Then we have to go. I want to say thank you, of course to the three of you. Thank you.
Sam Sanders 46:25
This was so fun. Thank you.
Traci Thomas 46:27
I don't know if you guys have been eyeing this. This flower intro. I want to pick it up. I don't want to spill but I can You can see it. Whit Hazen is the florist of your dreams. If you're getting married, if you want to present if you have to say I'm sorry to someone because you were mean. If you love yourself, if you love a friend if you like flowers, truly the most beautiful florist of flowers in will employ she's beautiful. In Los Angeles. Splurge show yourself love show someone else love obsessed with Whit. Like come on.
Chelsea Devantez 47:03
Yeah.
Traci Thomas 47:05
The most beautiful thing on the stage. Okay, shout out reparations club, get your books, get their books and write a book so we can get it one day. We'll see who writes the book first. You are me. I think you're gonna be first
Sam Sanders 47:14
Actually I want to co write a book with Jada.
Traci Thomas 47:18
I think she's available! You, her and Will. Just like the cover's you popping your head out. And Sam makes three! Just the three of us. Thank you Rep Club. I gotta say thank you to Sheree. She's been my tour manager this whole time taking care of everything. Thank God because I'm a nightmare. Thank you to Anna our photographer tonight. Thank you to the venue. And most importantly, thank you guys for coming out tonight. This is so so special. It's been five years in the making. I'm so glad to be able to do this. And you know, it's a podcast about books and there's people all together in a room and my name is on a marquee so it's a dream right?
Chelsea Devantez 47:59
And I wanna say thank you to you Traci because you have such a good show, and you are such a good friend. Five years is so fucking huge.
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